1982 Mercedes-Benz 280CE W123. Manual Transmission Mercedes-Benz 280CE. With extremely rare 4-speed manual transmission. Other rare specification includes: No rear seat belts. No n/s door mirror. No rear head rests. Manual windows.
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The car comes with steel wheels with painted trims and fully re-furbished original alloys with the afore-mentioned Pirellis. We are happy to provide a full warranty and may possibly take a part-exchange.
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I have a friend who owns a W123 300D with a 4-speed manual transmission here in the US. He wants to change it to a 5-speed manual transmission. Since the 5-speed manual Getrag was never sold on the W123 in the US, he has located a 5-speed Getrag in Europe; and it is complete with all shift linkage and the drive shaft. However, it does not include the adapter plate between the motor and the tranny.
The question is what adapter plate is necessary between the 5-speed Getrag transmission and the OM617 motor? Would anyone happen to know if the adapter plate between an M110 motor and the 5-speed Getrag transmission will work? Would you happen to have a Part Number?
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The ZF's that BMW have used recently are pretty far removed from the particular ZF in question. BMW used Getrag 4 and 5 speeds for years and the Getrag 265 5 speed by virtue of its mechanical speedo drive (at least early versions of it) would be a good candidate for a conversion. The early ZF 5 speeds really were an exotic transmission as evidenced by their use in the Astons and Ferraris of the time.
5 to 10 thousand is not an unusual price for this transmission depending on condition. The Getrag 265 is well built and for most applications should be more than strong enough. Getrag also made a close ratio 5 speed,the 262 with a 1:1 5 gear but these are weaker,harder to come by, and more expensive to repair. Hello, AFAIK, with the exception of the ZF S5 that Mercedes used in the late sixties and early seventies, all other MB 5 speeders were of their own manufacture. It was also supplied with a 1:1 or 0.81:1 fifthgear to DB, so buying one will not guarantee an overdrive fifth. I do not think there were ANY Getrags used in the Benzes. The ZF S5 was and is a very specialist piece of kit, used in race and rally cars of the time, as an option in the Opel Manta A series, the size of the box required a special stabiliser bar with a double bend to clear the bottom of the box.
It has an annoying layshaft rattle at idle when hot, giving rise to the nickname.coffeegrinder. As already pointed out, used in Astons, Ferraris, Maseratis, DeTomaso Panteras and Bedford CF vans!!!
Early.big 6. BMWs(2.5,2.8 and the Three litre S, Si) all used a ZF S4 four speed, then changed over to the Getrag 262 4 speed. Eighties BMWs used Getrag 265 5 speed for the.big 6. and Getrag 260 5 speed for the.small 6., but there are exceptions, like the M635Csi stuck with the presumably stronger 265, but with an offset first gear shift pattern and direct top gear. You should look for the G76/26(?) 5 speed used behind the M110 engine in W123 and W126 chassis after 1981, it was a common combination worldwide, excepting the US.
Have been reading various posts on several boards and gotten some conflicting info. Does anyone know of a list being assembled of the various 5 speeds available that will bolt up to the OM617 in the W123? Have been looking on both German and UK eBay and have only seen 4 speed manual transmissions for sale from the 240D and 300D W123 vehicles that were originally bolted to an OM616 - 7. Have had people tell me that they think a 5 speed out of a 280 SE will fit. Others say some of the early V8 Mercedes had a 5 speed that will fit. A few recommended a G-wagon 5 speed that had an OM617 because they use a divorced transfer box and it may be easy to fit the main transmission in a W123. There are a number of 5 speeds out of the 190D and various other vehicles (like the W124) that have the starter positioned on the left side of the engine, opposite the OM616 & 7.
They show up frequently and are cheaply priced on eBay in Europe. I am no expert that's for sure, so sort of thinking out loud: Having had a machine shop make engine adapters and flywheels in the past, am wondering if it would be worthwhile to make an adapter that would mate to one (or more) of these later Mercedes 5 speeds that would also relocate the starter position and use a matching custom flywheel with the correct ring gear (that matches the donor transmission & starter).
Then one could mate up a 5 speed from an OM602, OM603, 190D, or whatever is close enough to work with a custom adapter & flywheel. Assuming the remaining challenges of the shift lever, driveshaft, rear mount, and so on could be overcome, we could then have a not so rare 5 speed conversion for our W123s with OM616 - 7. Wonder if this is worth looking into? Robert Someone suggested the T-5 so did a little more research and: The Mercedes transmissions are generally short and stout with the main shift lever roughly positioned above and near the middle front of the main housing connected via linkages to some levers that come out the side of the main housing. This is very much unlike other manufacturer designs that have the shifter out on the tail shaft much further back. Measured a T-5 World Class and while an adapter would make it mate to the OM617, the shift lever in the tail housing is far enough back that someone riding in the back seat would need to shift it after an access hole was cut in the tunnel. So to fit a T-5 would probably require fabricating complicated linkage and most likely modifying the transmission tunnel to accommodate.
To many changes for the T-5 and not an easy bolt in even with a matching adapter. The more obvious and easier conversion would be to use a cheap manual 5 or 6 speed Mercedes box readily available in Europe that is cheap to purchase with the transmission shift levers coming out the side like the genuine article. The only real issue besides getting the adapter to fit the donor transmission and also being concentric to fit the flywheel and ring gear, matched to the stock donor engine starter would be the shift linkage.
Most scrappers discard the linkages because they assume the destination vehicle already has it and don’t want to be bothered to remove it before the vehicle is crushed. How is the W123 shift lever attached? Does anyone have a parts list in diagram form that would tell the story with drawings or pictures? If Mercedes produces these, it would be possible to compare among suitable vehicles and find a more educated guess of a match, so to speak. Or even better if the donor could use the stock W123 manual shift setup tied to the donor transmission via stock linkages. The baseline would be the stock setup on the W123. Then a close match (on paper anyway) would help choose a logical source for the conversion.
Again just running some ideas up the pole for advice. (, 10:47 AM)vstefis Wrote: Best bet would be a stock 5-speed trans for the w123 (any engine).
The side levers are pretty much the same as the ones in the 4-speed manual, except a bit shorter. Anywho, easily modifiable via the cut and weld method. The gearstick thingy is different, you'd need that, plus the short driveshaft bit, cross member, and that's about it. Easy to do, so I'd look for this.
Plus it's original. And pretty good as well. Thanks for the tips, BUT Have been looking off and on for over 6 months and no joy. That's why the thoughts to convert to a more readily available Mercedes 5 or even 6 speed. Are these stock 5-speeds you mention available in your 'neck of the woods'???
If so, there are 3 of us in the area looking for a 5 speed that will bolt up to the OM617. All 3 of us have 300TD wagons (estates) and one of the guys has been looking longer than I have and only found 4 speed manuals, NO 5 speeds located to date. (, 02:17 PM)vstefis Wrote: I can only say good things happen to those who wait. Perhaps, but for those of us who care to take an approach different from looking and waiting. And still explore the distinct possibility of building an adapter and using it to install a Mercedes 5 speed manual from a vehicle that is readily available and common enough to be inexpensive and easily fit. The search continues, perhaps someone else will lend some answers to the questions asked in this thread. Thanks, Robert.
(, 04:55 PM)aaa Wrote: Thanks for the URL to the excellent thread. It is full of useful information that shows very good work. The approach taken, while extraordinary in my opinion, is much more difficult to repeat when compared to manufacturing your own adapter and flywheel. The thread showed the transmission adapted to the engine, but with an adapter and custom flywheel, it will be the other way around. This will eliminate any changes to the housing and first motion shaft.
Am not knocking the good work, just would take a different approach. This was exactly the sort of information I was searching for. It showed that other Mercedes transmissions had already been adapted and will work just fine provided you have the donor shifter that matches the adapted transmission and make the other changes in linkage, mounting, driveshaft sizing, and so on. My approach will be to find a plentiful 5 speed form the 80s early 90s era and make an adapter and flywheel so that the transmission won't need any modifications.
Then if the adapted transmission fails or needs a rebuild it can be exchanged for another unit. Also the clutch will match the transmission shaft splines and length. Still need to research the spedo gear ratio on the donor unit and ensure an accurate reading. Hopefully this will lead me to purchase a unit to start the project. On another note, there was a 6 cyl Mercedes gas 250 engine and transmission that came out of a 1985 W124 on UK ebay. The seller wasn't sure if it was a 4 or 5 speed, but the shape of the back of the housing may identify this or wonder if part numbers or markings somewhere on the housing would identify the number of gears. Would think there must be lists somewhere that specify this if you know the right numbers.
Any suggestions here? W123 Getrag 5 speeds are 717.400. If you find a car with it in the states they are most likely from 1981+ Euro 280E/CE/TE, 300D/CD/TD and 240D. I found one in a 1982 280CE and took all the related parts. The G-Wagon 280GE and 300GD had the Getrag 717.420 trans which is the same as the 717.400. Here is one for sale on ebay.de. If you are going to use a trans with the starter on the opposite side, you'll need to relocate the oil filter housing.
Here is a thread of this discussion. It looks like some the pictures are gone though. (, 08:02 PM)DeliveryValve Wrote: w123 Getrag 5 speeds are 717.400. If you find a car with it in the states they are most likely from 1981+ Euro 280E/CE/TE, 300D/CD/TD and 240D.
I found one in a 1982 280CE and took all the related parts. The G-Wagon 280GE and 300GD had the Getrag 717.420 trans which is the same as the 717.400. Here is one for sale on ebay.de If you are going to use a trans with the starter on the opposite side, you'll need to relocate the oil filter housing. Here is a thread of this discussion. It looks like some the pictures are gone though. Good to know, thanks.
Regarding the oil filter housing: For the Land Rover OM617 conversion, we are making an adapter to take the Land Rover 300 TDI oil Filter housing which points a spin-on oil filter downward and out of the way of the bulkhead and still has internal thermostats that regulate the oil flow through the oil cooler. This may be a candidate to replace the original filter housing if this project to make an adapter and custom flywheel for a later 5 speed is a go. Regarding your other info on the stock 5 speeds that bolt right in (a few pictures are worth a few 1000 words): Sounds like the 4 speed shifter from a 240D may not work with the 5 speed, is this so? We should make a list of compatible transmissions. Will this W124 250 transmission have a 717.xxx number somewhere and if it is 717.400, it is the donor we seek without having to make an adapter? Wonder if the ratios for the 717.420 are the same as the 717.400? (, 08:51 PM)rdavisinva Wrote.
Regarding your other info on the stock 5 speeds that bolt right in (a few pictures are worth a few 1000 words): Sounds like the 4 speed shifter from a 240D may not work with the 5 speed, is this so? We should make a list of compatible transmissions. Will this W124 250 transmission have a 717.xxx number somewhere and if it is 717.400, it is the donor we seek without having to make an adapter? Wonder if the ratios for the 717.420 are the same as the 717.400? Robert 4 speed shifter will not work with a 5 speed. Not familiar with the w124 250 as there never was never one here in the states. Closest would be the turbocharged 300D 2.5L.
But that one only came in a automatic. I would assume the w124 250 could be had in a Getrag 717.4xx. The numbers would be located on the right side of the trans. (Size: 22.06 KB / Downloads: 1,230) 717.420 and 717.400 to my understanding share the same ratios. (, 05:44 AM)aaa Wrote: The 124 250D transmission would be just like a 190D's transmission, same starter hump issue. Sorry fat fingered the keyboard and after only 1 beer.
It is a manual transmission attached to a gasoline straight 6 cylinder 250 engine from a 1985 W123 not W124. Assume this engine is externally the same as the 2.8 liter straight 6, but with smaller displacement. Heard back from the seller and the shift linkage and petal assembly were already removed from the vehicle, but the vin is: WDB5443 Will this help identify the number of gears if it still had the original manual transmission?
I'll send him the question regarding the 717.4xx and share the answer. (, 09:45 PM)sassparillakid Wrote: Can we just have somebody with a lot of time on their hands manufacture a bunch of these 5 speeds so its not like a quest for the Holy Grail to get one? Lol That was the original intent. Because the aluminum casting that mounts to the back of the OM617 engine block determines the starter location and matches the transmission bolt pattern, it can be removed and a newly machined 'flywheel housing & transmission adapter' mounted in it's place. This new adapter would then match the 'donor 5 speed manual transmission' (that originally matched a different Mercedes engine with the starter on the left) along with a custom made flywheel that takes the donor clutch (so there are no changes to the transmission shaft) and spaces the clutch out the same distance as the donor.
This custom flywheel bolts to the OM617 crankshaft and takes the donor ring gear so the donor starter bolts to the custom adapter and starts the OM617 engine. (had to read that one twice to make sure it was typed correctly) Then we make a batch of these and buy 1 or 10 suitable donor transmissions in Europe along with the proper shifter (cheaply) and ladies and gentlemen, we have a 5 speed conversion (after you relocate the oil filter, complete the linkage, come up with a transmission mount, and complete any required driveshaft work). In theory a great idea. In practice a lot of trouble if the holy grail of a 5 speed shows up on eBay UK or eBay DE at a reasonable price of $500 or less, then we might not take 'the road less traveled, Robert Frost -er ah sassparillakid' and forget the conversion.
(, 05:50 PM)sassparillakid Wrote: Oh ok yeah I forgot about the starter. So where does the oil filter housing get relocated to? You probably didn't see it in post 9 as follows: Regarding the oil filter housing: For the Land Rover OM617 conversion, we are making an adapter to take the Land Rover 300 TDI oil Filter housing which points a spin-on oil filter downward and out of the way of the bulkhead and still has internal thermostats that regulate the oil flow through the oil cooler. This may be a candidate to replace the original filter housing. Today went by the pick-n-pull and there was a 1983 MB 300D automatic in one of the import rows. On the other side of the yard were a few Chevy S-10 pickups with 5-Speeds and further away were some Ford Mustangs. One S-10 and one mustang had the engine removed, so the transmissions were exposed and available for study.
After taking some rough measurements and looking over all 3 vehicles. The Mustang shifter is almost at the rear of the tail housing so the shifter is too far back, see post #1, BUT The S-10 shifter is right behind the main gear housing at the front of the T-5 tail housing. According to my rough measuring, there is a distinct possibility that the S-10 shifter would fall close to the stock W123 location. The disappointing aspect was the starter bungs in the both the Chevy and Ford belhousings are not in an acceptable orientation for the right side Mercedes starter. This leaves me thinking that since the belhousings bolt onto the T-5, the best option would be to cast a new T-5 belhousing that would mate up to the stock Mercedes OM617 aluminum casting off the back of the engine.
This would be more expensive to produce and could become a show stopper. But if we had a belhousing, the custom flywheel could take the Mercedes ring gear and the matching clutch for the T-5 input shaft and have the starter bung in the correct location. The custom T-5 belhousing could also facilitate the starter bolts coming from the front to attach the Mercedes starter.
Then there is the custom rear transmission mount and driveshaft to sort out, but it seems feasible. Obviously more detailed research is needed. Wonder if anyone else would be interested in this as a kit, if we made a dozen or so to spread the cost.
Again, thinking out loud. (, 01:51 AM)sassparillakid Wrote: I might be interested.
Also, the expense was going to be gone through to cast new bellhousings, why not just just cast new ones for mercedes transmissions that that may/may not require as much work to adapt transmission mounts, driveshafts, etc.? Is there any reason other than scarcity of these as opposed to the chevys? Very good question. I could be wrong, but was under the impression that 99% of the available Mercedes manual 5 speed transmissions were one piece main castings without a removable belhousing.
I think if these later 5 speeds with the starter on the left side had a removable belhousing, someone else probably would have made such a belhousing adapter long ago. That's my thinking and with the Mercedes I am still a student of learning so again could be wrong.
Perhaps someone with more knowledge than we currently have could verify. The T-5, manufactured by Borg Warner, used in Chevy's, Fords, and lots of other marques is cheap and available right here in our USA junkyards. Parts are everywhere and most re-builders have them exchange or outright. After talking to a local 300TD owner who has been looking for a year and my own 6 month search, the only suitable Mercedes 5 speeds, that I saw were for G-Wagons and wouldn't have found those if it hadn't been for the guidance from DeliveryValve who turned me on to the 717.420.
You'd probably have several thousand in a complete kit if you sourced a 717.420 in Germany or the UK and then you'd still have to locate a 5 speed shifter and make the rod mods along with the driveshaft and rear mount changes seen on some of the conversion links. So am going to look into the costs associated with casting a belhousing for the BW T-5 if more detailed measurements prove it is possible. Re: starter relocation: you could also use a /8 240D 3.0 block with the oil filter housing up front. But these came only in the 80HP fashion and have a different bore to the 88HP engines and thus would require a re-bore & 88HP oversize pistons. Or modified pistons to clear the 88HP pre-chambers - and so on. There's no easy way unless you wait for that Getrag 717.400.
And then's the question - how worn out is it? Does it need a rebuild? I found mine in France, for 250€ - the whole convesion kit sans gearbox bracket (auto bracket should work too). Luckily with only 105k miles on the odomater. With the later 190 or W124 transmissions you'd need a custom made or shortened and rebalanced drive shaft, as they'r a bit shorter than the 717.400/401 - yet the 717.400/401 is shorter than the W123 auto box. W123 4spd W124/190 5spd W123 5spd W123 auto I too had plans to have a custom adaptor plate made - but machining would've been expensive (it's not just a simple plate, it needs to be recessed to make room for the flywheel - there's a lot of machine time involved. Unless a smal batch of about 10-20 is made, it's too expensive.
At least in my country. (, 12:52 PM)808morgan Wrote: Try this: Thanks for the link.
They have everything, but the only drawback is the transmission is a 4-speed. Would like to make the change to a 5-speed. Robert (, 06:17 AM)DiseaselWeasel Wrote: Re: starter relocation: you could also use a /8 240D 3.0 block with the oil filter housing up front. But these came only in the 80HP fashion and have a different bore to the 88HP engines and thus would require a re-bore & 88HP oversize pistons. Or modified pistons to clear the 88HP pre-chambers - and so on.
There's no easy way unless you wait for that Getrag 717.400. And then's the question - how worn out is it? Does it need a rebuild? I found mine in France, for 250€ - the whole convesion kit sans gearbox bracket (auto bracket should work too). Luckily with only 105k miles on the odomater. With the later 190 or W124 transmissions you'd need a custom made or shortened and rebalanced drive shaft, as they'r a bit shorter than the 717.400/401 - yet the 717.400/401 is shorter than the W123 auto box.
W123 4spd W124/190 5spd W123 5spd W123 auto I too had plans to have a custom adaptor plate made - but machining would've been expensive (it's not just a simple plate, it needs to be recessed to make room for the flywheel - there's a lot of machine time involved. Unless a smal batch of about 10-20 is made, it's too expensive. At least in my country.
Thanks for the pictures and interesting info. Had no idea there was a OM617 with oil filter that far forward. Instudio wireless speakers manual lawn. (, 10:42 AM)rdavisinva Wrote: Have been reading various posts on several boards and gotten some conflicting info.
Does anyone know of a list being assembled of the various 5 speeds available that will bolt up to the OM617 in the W123? Have been looking on both German and UK eBay and have only seen 4 speed manual transmissions for sale from the 240D and 300D W123 vehicles that were originally bolted to an OM616 - 7. Have had people tell me that they think a 5 speed out of a 280 SE will fit. Others say some of the early V8 Mercedes had a 5 speed that will fit. A few recommended a G-wagon 5 speed that had an OM617 because they use a divorced transfer box and it may be easy to fit the main transmission in a W123. There are a number of 5 speeds out of the 190D and various other vehicles (like the W124) that have the starter positioned on the left side of the engine, opposite the OM616 & 7.
They show up frequently and are cheaply priced on eBay in Europe. I am no expert that's for sure, so sort of thinking out loud: Having had a machine shop make engine adapters and flywheels in the past, am wondering if it would be worthwhile to make an adapter that would mate to one (or more) of these later Mercedes 5 speeds that would also relocate the starter position and use a matching custom flywheel with the correct ring gear (that matches the donor transmission & starter). Then one could mate up a 5 speed from an OM602, OM603, 190D, or whatever is close enough to work with a custom adapter & flywheel. Assuming the remaining challenges of the shift lever, driveshaft, rear mount, and so on could be overcome, we could then have a not so rare 5 speed conversion for our W123s with OM616 - 7. Wonder if this is worth looking into? Robert Someone suggested the T-5 so did a little more research and: The Mercedes transmissions are generally short and stout with the main shift lever roughly positioned above and near the middle front of the main housing connected via linkages to some levers that come out the side of the main housing. This is very much unlike other manufacturer designs that have the shifter out on the tail shaft much further back.
Measured a T-5 World Class and while an adapter would make it mate to the OM617, the shift lever in the tail housing is far enough back that someone riding in the back seat would need to shift it after an access hole was cut in the tunnel. So to fit a T-5 would probably require fabricating complicated linkage and most likely modifying the transmission tunnel to accommodate. To many changes for the T-5 and not an easy bolt in even with a matching adapter. The more obvious and easier conversion would be to use a cheap manual 5 or 6 speed Mercedes box readily available in Europe that is cheap to purchase with the transmission shift levers coming out the side like the genuine article. The only real issue besides getting the adapter to fit the donor transmission and also being concentric to fit the flywheel and ring gear, matched to the stock donor engine starter would be the shift linkage. Most scrappers discard the linkages because they assume the destination vehicle already has it and don’t want to be bothered to remove it before the vehicle is crushed.
How is the W123 shift lever attached? Does anyone have a parts list in diagram form that would tell the story with drawings or pictures? If Mercedes produces these, it would be possible to compare among suitable vehicles and find a more educated guess of a match, so to speak.
Or even better if the donor could use the stock W123 manual shift setup tied to the donor transmission via stock linkages. The baseline would be the stock setup on the W123. Then a close match (on paper anyway) would help choose a logical source for the conversion.
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Again just running some ideas up the pole for advice. Robert You need a 88, the direct replacement transmission with the starter on the correct side for a 617 engine, good luck though! I've been looking and the only place I can find one is through MB and they're $3k+ core. Old thread but is the only one I found that have some information regarding the subject I want to ask: I want to do the opposite of the tittle of this thread, I have an W115 240d 3.0 with the OM617 80hp with 4 spd manual gear box and I want to convert it to W115/w123 auto gear box, but my big question is, which flywheel to use?? In EPC the W115 w240d 3.0 have an unique flywheel part number, but the outer ring is the same as in other models, and in pictures all look the same! What are the differences and from witch models can I use the flywheel? (, 06:22 PM)gaiex Wrote: Old thread but is the only one I found that have some information regarding the subject I want to ask: I want to do the opposite of the tittle of this thread, I have an W115 240d 3.0 with the OM617 80hp with 4 spd manual gear box and I want to convert it to W115/w123 auto gear box, but my big question is, which flywheel to use??
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In EPC the W115 w240d 3.0 have an unique flywheel part number, but the outer ring is the same as in other models, and in pictures all look the same! What are the differences and from witch models can I use the flywheel? Thanks The manual flywheel is different from the auto. We have lots of extra auto flywheels.
They will fit in a flat rate box, and will send you one for the cost of shipping with the flex plate if you need it. We also have 2 spare auto transmissions if you want one. I would be interested in your 4 speed when it becomes surplus to your needs.